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ALMA-IMF Core Working Group, October 15 2020

10/15/2020

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Connection:
https://ufl.zoom.us/j/96368629056?pwd=c1JmbWN6Rll0ZkNjYzJZamtXZFdmUT09

Attendees: Fred, Yohan, Adam, Timea, Sasha, Gemma, Allison, Hongli, Roberto, Alex, Ant, Nathalie, Amy, Fabien, Tapas
Not attending: Manuel

For memory:
Minutes from our last telecon
Members and their main interests


Agenda:
  1. Temperature estimates with PPMAP

  • The PPMAP procedure to estimate the Tdust image of ALMA-IMF fields
Alex’s slides

  • Herschel-only (14’’-resolution, no filtering) run
Bands (in micron): 70, 160, 250, 350 (Herschel), 500
→ to be used as a model toward which the high-resolution Tdust images should converge

  • Run with 60’’-filtered maps (2.5’’-resolution, B3 filtering, without Herschel 500)
Bands (in micron): 70, 160, 250, 350 (SABOCA), 870, 1300, 3000
  • Many pixels are not fitted because of negative levels created by the filtering process or because of noise in the ALMA (especially B3) images. → Lots of/Too many NANs.
  • The SED fits of the main peaks (MM2 and MM3) still diverge at the LABOCA 870 and ALMA 1300 and 3000 micron wavelengths. → Change the weights?
  • The ‘half noise’ and ‘tight noise’ runs try to compensate for the poor noise levels of the submm images: 
Half noise: sigma/2 for LABOCA (870), ALMA B6 (1300), and ALMA B3 (3000).
Tight noise: sigma/2 for LABOCA (870) and ALMA B3 (3000); sigma/4 for ALMA B6 (1300).
Gaussian noise is assumed and levels are calculated for each map as a first step of PPMAP. These noise levels are used in the SED fit. 
The effect of a non-Gaussian noise on the PPMAP results should be checked… If we were to impose some weights for the different wavelengths, PPMAP would need to be modified. → not for now!
Temperature increases from the ‘normal noise’ to ‘half noise’ and the ‘tight noise’ runs. Be careful! The “tight noise” run gives temperatures closer to that of the Herschel run. 

  • Run with 30’’-filtered maps (2.5’’-resolution, B6 filtering, without SABOCA?)
Bands (in micron): 70, 160, 250, 350 (SABOCA), 870, 1300, 3000
The SED fit gets worse to the 70 micron point and a s a consequence the small heating toward MM2 is lost → the 60’’-filtering run seems more reasonable

  • Run without the B3 data
Bands (in micron): 70, 160, 250, 350 (SABOCA), 870, 1300
  • When the ‘free-free-contaminated’ B3 image is ignored, the Tdust image displays less cold values at the location of the HII region (18K instead of 13K) and of the filament (23K instead of 18K) lying below the HII region. → To be checked if this map would be better to estimate the temperature of cores lying over this filament…
  • There are less NANs suggesting that a SED fit should be allowed when either the B6 or B3 image has negative pixels.

Preliminary conclusions:
→ The 60’’-filtering run seems better than the 30’’-filtering run
→ The ‘tight noise’ run gives temperature in the background that better corresponds to that of the Herschel run.
→ The run without B3 gives better Tdust values close to/but off the HII region.
→ Could we combine the Herschel-only map and 60’’-filtering ‘tight-noise’ map to have a continuous Tdust image? Could we fit SEDs on each pixel just dropping the negative flux?


  • Jeff’s evaluation of the filtering scales of the datasets used by PPMAP 
Jeff’s presentation from 2 weeks ago.
Not discussed today

  1. News on core extraction by Yohan and Fabien
Not discussed today

  1. Other estimations of the core temperature
Not discussed today
  • Status of Brian’s efforts to analyze and collect ammonia data

  • Fred and Nathalie should soon present the proxy proposed for the protostellar luminosity of continuum cores, using the “line contamination” of “the continuum band” by COMs lines.

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ALMA-IMF Core Working Group, October 8 2020

10/8/2020

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Connection:
https://ufl.zoom.us/j/96368629056?pwd=c1JmbWN6Rll0ZkNjYzJZamtXZFdmUT09

Attendees: Fred, Yohan, Jeff, Amy, Nathalie, Sasha, Gemma, Allison, Roberto, Patricio, Nichol, Adam, Thomas, Leo, Alex, HongLi, Fabrice, Sylvain, Timea, Tapas, Quang, Ant
Not attending: Fabien

For memory:
Minutes from our last telecon
Members and their main interests


Agenda:
  1. News on core extraction by Yohan and Fabien

  • Detailed analysis of W43-MM2&3 data → Recipe for detailed CMF papers:
Detection: “denoised” images not corrected by the PB shape
W43-MM2MM3_1mm_cohe_sm_sk06.fits
W43-MM2MM3_3mm_cohe_sm_sk05.fits

Measurements: original images, PB-corrected
W43-MM2MM3_1mm_bsens.fits
W43-MM2MM3_1mm_cleanest.fits
W43-MM2MM3_3mm_bsens.fits
W43-MM2MM3_3mm_cleanest.fits
→ Final extraction to be done with getsf and GExt2D.

Question to Sasha: is it possible to spare time and not measure cores’ parameters on the W43-MM2MM3_1mm_cohe_sm_sk06.fits and W43-MM2MM3_3mm_cohe_sm_sk06.fits maps? Answer: Sure!

  • Presentation of FlufiCarp by Yohan:
To do this analysis, I am using the automatic procedures I developed. They are available on GitHub (private for now) but I can give you access if you want. These scripts can be run no matter the region, the software or its version and allow catalogs comparison, analysis, post-selection, mass calculation with a temperature map and CMFs drawing. Feel free to contact me if you are interested in using these scripts for your own region.

Here is the GitHub link : https://github.com/Yohan-Pouteau/FlufiCarp
Please only circulate this link between consortium members

Picture
  1. Temperature estimates with PPMAP

  • The PPMAP Tdust image used to estimate Tdust of cores in W43-MM2&3
Figure: Over-plotting the 1mm contours and the bsens sources (ellipses). Sources in red are potential hot cores with Sint (bsens) /Sint (cleanest)>1.4. 

Questions to Alex:
→ why is the PPMAP coverage smaller than the 1mm ALMA coverage? Some cores fall outside the Tdust map… 
Answer: image cropped to avoid edge effect, filtering will solve this issue.

→ why such squared regions? 
Answer: edge effects as well, not present anymore in the new image

→ A couple of cores lie over the cold (10K) artefact created when fitting a modified blackbody toward pixels whose the 3mm emission is largely contaminated by free-free emission. Is there a method to ignore the 3mm image when fitting the SED of these pixels?
Answer: Alex could substitute a model wo 3mm to the black rounded artefact on the image
Adam: To mitigate/remove the free-free emission, we could in the future use the H41alpha image or VLA emission.

Question to Fabrice/Nathalie:
→ Do you confirm the “hot core” nature of the red sources?



  • Jeff’s evaluation of the filtering scales of the datasets used by PPMAP 

Jeff’s presentation from last week.
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Picture
* Max recov. scale = ~0.6 x \lambda/Lmin         See equation nº6.1 (p53) in https://www.iram.fr/IRAMFR/ARC/documents/cycle1/alma-technical-handbook.pdf



  • Impact of these filtering scales on the PPMAP results by Alex
Improvements by making 2 steps:
  • Herschel-only Tdust map [at which resolution?] →  very clean map
  • Spatial filter (60’’, 30’’) to Herschel data + ALMA + other images
issues: negative areas in filtered images are not fitted by PPMAP and thus create blanked pixels in the Tdust resulting image
optical thickness to be treated (70 micron, 1mm?)

  1. Other estimations of the core temperature

  • Investigating thermometers like CH3OH, CH3CN, CH3CCH lines? 
Timea and Nathalie started but it is too complex to apply our knowledge to get a better estimate of the core temperature.
[This information cannot be used for the 1st mass estimates we’ll make but we can expect publishing  more corrected core temperature and thus mass measurements in the future.]

  • What is the status of Brian’s efforts to analyze and collect ammonia data? He will be invited next week.

  • Fred and Nathalie should soon (next week?) present the proxy proposed for the protostellar luminosity, using the line contamination from COMs.


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